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  1. 9

    Bueller

    Very useful article. Thanks!

    Quick question (re: Tip 5), how should i add an entry to the Windows boot menu to point to the GRUB that i have installed on another partition? What does the entry in the boot.ini look like?

    I can’t use EasyBCD as i have Windows XP only.

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  2. 8

    wallep

    Hi finid and Kurt,

    on Sept. 13, 2012 @ 6:58pm Kurt said,
    > In my opinion, the best way to dual boot windows and
    > linux, is to use two hard drives, install windows to
    > the first hard drive (skip that step if preinstalled),
    > then disconnect this drive, install another hard drive
    > as the first hard drive and install linux. Then connect
    > the windows drive as the SECOND hard drive. Boot into
    > linux and edit the grub.conf file to add an entry to
    > boot windows using the chainloader. As windows will
    > only boot if it is the first drive, use the grub map
    > command to switch the first and second drives. No
    > changes at all are made to the windows drive MBR or
    > anything else, and windows will just boot when you
    > select it from the grub boot menu.

    Help me out here please. I currently have the installer running for Debian Squeeze netinst ver. 6.0.6. I’m at the partition set-up screen.

    I will be dual-booting (win2k and Debian). Windows 2000 has its own hard drive and is currently fully operational. I installed another drive for Debian. Both drives are on the same cable (win2k drive set to ‘master’ and debian drive set to ‘slave’).

    I have backed up all data on my windows drive and even cloned it to another drive that I keep in storage. Therefore I’m ok on the back-up warning.

    My system is a legacy system. Its a “dual” Pentium III total 2.0 GHz cpu with 1 gig of DDR RAM running windows 2000 spk 4. I built the system in 2001. The motherboard is an iWill-DVD266R with max capacity of 4 gigs for DDR memory. I currently have 1 gig installed of DDR.

    This win2k system is still my main desktop and is a real workhorse. I do utilize newer OS’s on other systems but this is the system I’d prefer to utilize as a dual-boot.

    QUESTION #1 Please
    Can I still utilize the article that ‘finid’ wrote titled, “Dual Booting Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04 using two hard drives” for my ‘Debian Squeeze netinst’ install using two separate drives? Or do I need to be concerned with Kurt’s option described above?

    Kurt’s excellent alternative is too advanced for me as this is my first Linux install? I can easily understand finid’s tutorial.

    QUESTION #2 Please:
    Also, do I need to be concerned about the UEIF firmware issue that was addressed in another tutorial as it relates to my ‘dual’ pentium III system? The tutorial is titled, “Dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04 on a PC with UEFI board, SSD and HDD”.

    see: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/10/10/dual-boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-04-on-a-pc-with-uefi-board-ssd-and-hdd/

    Thank you

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  3. 7

    wallep

    Hi finid and Kurt,

    on Sept. 13, 2012 @ 6:58pm Kurt said,
    > In my opinion, the best way to dual boot windows and
    > linux, is to use two hard drives, install windows to
    > the first hard drive (skip that step if preinstalled),
    > then disconnect this drive, install another hard drive
    > as the first hard drive and install linux. Then connect
    > the windows drive as the SECOND hard drive. Boot into
    > linux and edit the grub.conf file to add an entry to
    > boot windows using the chainloader. As windows will
    > only boot if it is the first drive, use the grub map
    > command to switch the first and second drives. No
    > changes at all are made to the windows drive MBR or
    > anything else, and windows will just boot when you
    > select it from the grub boot menu.

    Help me out here please. I currently have the installer running for Debian Squeeze netinst ver. 6.0.6. I’m at the partition set-up screen.

    I will be dual-booting (win2k and Debian). Windows 2000 has its own hard drive and is currently fully operational and I installed another drive for Debian. Both drives are on the same cable (win2k drive set to ‘master’ and debian drive set to ‘slave’).

    I have backed up all data on my windows drive and even cloned it to another drive that I keep in storage. Therefore I’m ok on the back-up warning.

    My system is a legacy system. Its a “dual” Pentium III total 2.0 GHz cpu with 1 gig of DDR RAM running windows 2000 spk 4. I built the system in 2001. The motherboard is an iWill-DVD266R with max capacity of 4 gigs for DDR memory. I currently have 1 gig installed of DDR.

    This win2k system is still my main desktop and is a real workhorse. I do utilize newer OS’s on other systems but this is the system I’d prefer to utilize as a dual-boot.

    Can I still utilize the article that ‘finid’ wrote titled, “Dual Booting Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04 using two hard drives” for my ‘Debian Squeeze netinst’ install using two separate drives? Or do I need to be concerned with Kurt’s option described above?

    Kurt’s excellent alternative is too advanced for me as this is my first Linux install? I can easily understand finid’s tutorial.

    Also, do I need to be concerned about the UEIF firmware issue that was addressed in another tutorial as it relates to my ‘dual’ pentium III system? The tutorial is titled,
    “Dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 12.04 on a PC with UEFI board, SSD and HDD”.

    see: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/10/10/dual-boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-12-04-on-a-pc-with-uefi-board-ssd-and-hdd/

    Thank you

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    1. 7.1

      finid

      Your mobo is too old for you to be concerned about UEFI. So, don’t worry about that.

      I don’t necessarily agree with Kurt’s suggestion, as it introduces unnecessary manual tasks. When dual-booting on 2 hard drives, make the Linux drive the primary or default boot disk. That way, you do not have to do any manual setup after installing the Linux distribution. The Linux installer will automatically add an entry for Windows in GRUB’s menu. And you do not have to disconnect the Windows drive.

      Use the new article that I just wrote, but ignore the part about UEFI, as your mobo does not have that firmware. You might also want to read this article.

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      1. 7.1.1

        Kurt

        Finid,

        I’m with you on putting Linux on the first or primary drive and putting the Windows disk as the second drive. As far as I know, there is no practicable way to do this except to first install Windows with the disk as the first drive, as that is the only way windows will install, and then move it to be the second drive either physically or with the BIOS if your BIOS will do that. Then yes, install another hard drive as the first hard drive and put Linux on it. If you have a very clever installer, it may put the correct entry in GRUB to boot the windows disk, but the issue is that Windows must think it is the first hard disk or it won’t boot. That is what the map entry is for in grub.conf. It will swap the drive order before booting Windows with the chainloader. I am not aware that the typical Linux installer will do this correctly, but then I don’t know much.

        The point of not having the windows drive connected while you are installing Linux is to make sure that nothing is changed on the Windows drive. The computer case is already open, so connecting the drive or not is no big deal.

        The only tricky part is putting the correct entry in grub.conf, but even here, it won’t hurt anything if done incorrectly. After it is set up, no further mucking around in the internals is required.

        Anyway, that is just my 2 cents, and I hope you don’t mind me throwing it into the pot.

        Kurt

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        1. 7.1.1.1

          finid

          But you do not need to mess with a GRUB config file by hand. Just run sudo grub-install /sdb, and GBUB will take care of the rest.

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          1. 7.1.1.1.1

            Kurt

            Well I guess that will put Grub on the second drive, but the point of the procedure I was outlining is that it does not touch the windows drive at all.

            Kurt

          2. finid

            Running that command will add an entry for the OS on the other drive in the GRUB menu of the OS that you ran it on.

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  5. 6

    SAlder

    Anyone else find it funny that they used Fedora 14 (the last really user-friendly Fedora) for this article?

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    1. 6.1

      finid

      No specific distribution was used for this article. I just used an image from way back to illustrate a point. I could have used anyone from any other distro.

      Reply
  6. 5

    Caesar Tjalbo

    “the best approach for dual-booting, is to locate the Windows system partition on the SSD”

    Why? I can see you’re looking for an easy solution but if you’re primarily using linux, you’re not getting much of the benefits of SSD.

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    1. 5.1

      finid

      But the tip is not for those “primarily using linux.” It said to “locate the Windows system partition on the SSD.”

      Reply
      1. 5.1.1

        Caesar Tjalbo

        You’re right, the tips are apparently geared towards people who use “Linux as an alternate system”.

        Perhaps in the next iteration of these tips, the author wants to include information for those who’d like to set up Linux on the SSD.

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        1. 5.1.1.1

          finid

          If you are dual-booting on a PC with 1 HDD, it’s better to treat the Linux distro as an “alternate system.” Else, Windows will make you pay.

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          1. 5.1.1.1.1

            Caesar Tjalbo

            (I hadn’t seen before you’re the author)

            In a setup with 2 drives, you’d install windows first and then linux, regardless what you use the most. That’s the order of installing.

            If these 2 drives are a normal hd and a ssd, why would i place windows on the ssd if i’ll be using linux more than windows?

            In other words, why is it recommended to locate linux on the hd? Can’t linux boot from a ssd?

  7. 4

    ka

    As a guide for someone completely new to dual booting this is a quite good guide. A hands-up would be on step 3 in the event the computer came pee-installed with 4 primary partitions on a disk with a msdos partition table. In this case shrinking a partition is pointless as a disk with msdos partition table only can hold 4 primary partitions. In this case you need to make a decision:

    1) don’t touch the disk and use a second hard drive
    2) move the data from for example the “User data” partition to the root partition and replace it with an extended partition. (The “user data” partition may then be recreated as a logical partition within the extended partition if so desired)
    3) consider installing linux on an image file within the windows partition (not recommended – as this is fragile, but it is ok for uncommitted testing) – Ubuntu do this easily using the Wubi installer.
    4) Install to an external disk – memory stick – linux is in fact reasonable fast even running from USB sticks, but an external USB 3.0 disk would run great! (notice that booting with USB 3.0 support might require grub to add the boot parameter “pci=nomsi”.

    In two disk setup I would actually recommend considering backup partitions, and partitions for increased performance on the opposite disks. I would create a partition to store the windows pagefile.sys within an NTFS partition on the opposing disk for windows, and a swap partition or partition holding a swap file on the disk opposing linux. The same is the case for backup partitions.

    Another comment – Whereas linux is good for trouble shooting windows problems, windows is not good for troubleshooting linux problems. For this it is better to keep a boot-able rescue cd or live usb stick handy. I do actually tend to install a rescue partition on the second disk.

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  8. 3

    Kurt

    In my opinion, the best way to dual boot windows and linux, is to use two hard drives, install windows to the first hard drive (skip that step if preinstalled), then disconnect this drive, install another hard drive as the first hard drive and install linux. Then connect the windows drive as the SECOND hard drive. Boot into linux and edit the grub.conf file to add an entry to boot windows using the chainloader. As windows will only boot if it is the first drive, use the grub map command to switch the first and second drives. No changes at all are made to the windows drive MBR or anything else, and windows will just boot when you select it from the grub boot menu.

    See this thread:

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=275728

    Kurt

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    1. 3.1

      finid

      But you can do that without disconnecting/reconnecting drives.

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      1. 3.1.1

        Kurt

        Well no, you can’t do this with out disconnecting and reconnecting the windows drive. But you only have to do it once. The point is, under this scenerio, you want The linux drive to be the first drive with the MBR so that the computer will boot grub. Then you can select from the grub menu which operating system to boot. Grub will take care of making the windows drive think it is the first drive using the grub map command. The beauty of this is that you can add a linux drive/OS to an existing Windows system without changing a thing on the windows drive except swapping the cables. I like to keep the windows drive disconnected during the Linux install to prevent accidents.

        Try it sometime. It’s sweet.

        Kurt

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        1. 3.1.1.1

          finid

          Swapping cables? I didn’t know people are still swapping cables. I thought todays computers are all SATA, or do you have to swap cables with SATA too?

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          1. 3.1.1.1.1

            Kurt

            I guess you could say “It depends” SATA drives are ordered by the connector on the motherboard, although which drive is the boot drive or number one drive can be set in the bios of some, but not all motherboards.

            If you can select the boot drive through the bios or by a function key at boot, then you can connect your windows or linux drive as you wish, and just select the drive you want to boot through the bios. If you cannot use the bios to select the boot drive, or don’t want to use it, then setting up grub as I described above is the way to go.

            Kurt

          2. finid

            The thing is I have not come across a system where you cannot change the boot disk from the BIOS.

    2. 3.2

      Fitzcarraldoblog

      As far as laptops are concerned, most don’t have two internal hard drives. Furthermore, many laptops cannot have two internal hard drives fitted and many people don’t want to cart around an external hard drive with a laptop. In such cases the only solution if one wants to dual boot is to use the internal hard drive for both operating systems.

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  9. 2

    Fitzcarraldoblog

    Regarding your tip no. 5, there is another reason why it is better to use the Windows boot loader to chainload the Linux boot loader in the boot sector of a partition: many desktop and laptop machines have a hidden ‘factory restore’ partition for Windows, which you can invoke using certain keypresses at boot. Some manufacturers put code for that in the MBR, so if you install the Linux boot loader there you may overwrite it. See e.g. http://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/the-best-way-to-dual-boot-linux-and-windows/

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